We are planning to make a webinar around the topic TVOCs. To discuss the following:
Let me know if there are specific questions that we should address.
Great! Specific info around “how to interpret the actual displayed value” would be good too!
Yes good point. (Probably the most challenging one. So you are right on the mark ;).
Speaking of… my TVOC has been reading super high without much basis for the past couple hours. 300+.
I was running a 3D print, but I’ve run equivalent prints in the room before without any noticeable TVOC increase. This makes me feel like something is off with the TVOC sensor. Either it wasn’t detecting TVOC before or it’s spuriously high now. The print has been done for several hours now and an air filter has been running and TVOC reading is still super high.
Between CO2 being a bit of an uncalibrated “black box” and TVOC being… well, all over the place, I’m having trouble really trusting this sensor :-/
Many things can increase the TVOC readings. Cooking in the house, using hand sanitizer near the sensor. I haven’t noticed a regular spike when I 3d print, so can’t say if that should always register, especially with PLA.
CO2 isn’t necessarily uncalibrated, but it is calibrating once a week to the lowest level. If you know, or suspect, that you may not get that low in a week, then you can take it outside for 5 minutes, run the process to do a manual calibration, wait 3 minutes, and then disable the automatic calibration, and you should be mostly set.
I did read that moving the sensors around, such as shipping them, can throw off the calibration and is part of why the automatic is running. I don’t move mine much, so once I calibrate outside, I gently move it inside and let it sit.
To be clear, this isn’t something specific to AirGradient or even the SenseAir S8 module being used, but I’ve seen other CO2 sensors do automatic calibrations like this, so being aware and choosing how to handle it is part of the open nature
(Disclaimer: I’m fairly frustrated with AirGradient’s VOC implementation as I understand it. I may be wrong and I really hope I am. I share @ichiban’s concern.)
If I read https://sensirion.com/media/documents/02232963/6294E043/Info_Note_VOC_Index.pdf , apparently:
I’m frustrated because, if it really is an index of 0-500 where 100 is the average of the last 24 hours:
As a new owner, my AirGradient VOC meter spiked to 300+ when I was making toast, which is what led me to this thread. If not for this thread, I’d probably have ordered an $800 carbon VOC purifier an hour ago. Because I stumbled across this thread and then the Sensiron PDF, I now think those readings are useless without knowing the baseline - and when misinterpreted like many of us are, they’re worse than no readings at all.
I wouldn’t have purchased this product if I’d known it was only going to tell me changes relative to an undefined baseline.
I want to emphasize that, if I’m misinterpreting https://sensirion.com/media/documents/02232963/6294E043/Info_Note_VOC_Index.pdf , that my comments are misguided. I look forward to @Achim_AirGradient’s thoughts and potentially his corrections. I look forward to being wrong about everything I’ve written here.
I’m new here, and just got my AirGradient in the mail yesterday. I’m glad I found this thread, though, as I was trying to understand the VOC readings!
I’ve got less than 24 hours of data so far, but something I noticed this morning after waking up is that the VOC and CO2 both spiked massively this morning, and I was surprised how high VOC went because I thought it was supposed to be a 1 to 500 scale… But mine spiked to over 700 a few minutes ago, and it’s sitting in the 600s now. I’m unclear how that is possible with the sensor scale as described in the PDF y’all linked to earlier 
I’m also really wondering about some sort of calibration, though. I thought it was supposed to come calibrated from the factory and tested, but this morning alongside the VOC spike the CO2 reading also went up to over 1400ppm. That seems crazy high, but we do have a pretty well sealed house I think and my main reason for getting this was to check and see if we were exposing ourselves to dangerously high CO2 levels. Now, though, I don’t know if I can trust these readings
Well written, @troy. I share your feelings.
I wouldn’t have purchased this product if I’d known it was only going to tell me changes relative to an undefined baseline.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. I’m feeling the same way about CO2, for what it’s worth. That discussion is happening on this thread.
I’ve seen CO2 levels over 2500 in my basement when we had 6 people watching a movie. I also see pretty consistent 1000-1400 with just me in the basement working. My house is also pretty well sealed, so not sure if I need a ERV or something to introduce fresh air.
With being able to trigger a manual CO2 calibration while I have it outside and then disabling the automatic weekly calibration, I’ve had consistent results that I trust.
I do share some of the concerns around the VOC index, but honestly, I have a SGP30 sensor that does give a true number for concentration of VOC, but it is so erratic and the numbers seem to unrelatable that I don’t really give it any credibility.
Note, this sensor also needs a 12 hour calibration outside anytime firmware is updated and 1 hour any time it is powered up after that. Calibrations are just part of the game
SGP30 CO₂ and Volatile Organic Compound Sensor — ESPHome
This is an extremely important discussion and something I can relate very well to as we went through similar thoughts when we developed the monitor.
It’s very late here in Thailand now but I will respond to this in detail tomorrow.
Interesting - thank you for sharing your experience!
I saw some other mentions on this forum of running an outdoor calibration and then turning off weekly automatic adjustments, but I didn’t see anything about that in the online setup guide (which I followed to configure the unit upon arrival). From your comment on another thread, though, it sounds like I need to wait for a new firmware before this will be available on my unit?
I went ahead and ordered another CO2 monitor from Amazon (the best-rated one I could find there for under $200 - similar in cost to this AirGradient) so I should soon be able to compare the results from these two units and see what is going on. One of the reviews of that unit, though, suggested putting HEPA filters over the air intakes in order to get accurate CO2 readings - so I have those on order as well
For the ability to manually calibrate and disable automatic calibration, you will need to wait if you are using the Arduino code firmware>
The ESPHome option integration has both features currently
I’m honestly not sure what software / firmware this unit is running. I purchased the fully-assembled One, since it said that it included test certification. Is there a way to identify the firmware type from the web-based dashboard? This is what I show in “Sensor Information” - which includes a firmware version, but no other details I can see:
Sensor ID: ###########
Sensor Maker: AirGradient
Linked Location: Living Room
Firmware Version: 1.0.0
Model: I-9PSL-DE
Sensor Commissioning Date: Jan 11, 2024
Test Report:
Status: passed
That is the Arduino based one direct from AirGradient
Good to know - thank you! I will await that updated firmware so I can try calibrating it, but also compare to the other brand of CO2 monitor that I ordered.
For what it’s worth, I’m now running a 3D printer for a styrene-based print next to my sensor and the TVOC levels are happily staying around 50. They don’t seem to be responding to 1 hour of styrene gas being emitted… 30 cm away from the sensor.
You are printing ABS?
I haven’t seen considerable increases while I’m 3d printing, but I’m mostly using PLA. Just about ready to do some ABS though
ASA, but similar family.
@ichiban @MallocArray @William @troy
I just wrote a detailed blog post about TVOCs and our opinion on how it should be used.
TVOC - When it's useful and when it's useless
I hope that this explains some of the issues raised here.
I also added more infomation on our product pages explaining and linking to the Sensirion VOC index.
Happy to discuss it more here in case there are any questions or thoughts. One of the reasons we want to discuss this topic in one of our planned webinar is just the complexity of it.
Thanks for thinking through this, @Achim_AirGradient. The 2 examples in your new blog post are the types of things that I’d like to use my AirGradient for, but I don’t understand how the AirGradient/SGP-41 readings would allow for those examples. Can you edit the blog post to add some detail? Here’s the specifics I’d like to understand:
In the art class example, if someone opened a can of paint and the TVOC reading spiked, the reading would only spike until those new VOCs got incorporated into the rolling 24 hour baseline. That is, it might jump from 125 to 400 (just examples), but over the next 24 hours, the readings would drop back down to 100 as the rolling 24 hour baseline gradually increased. How would they know that the paint can (or any other source) is still affecting the air?
This is the best example of what I’d like to use AG for, but I don’t understand how relative readings against a short-duration rolling baseline (24 hours) could “[show] high VOC levels that stayed up for quite some time”. If the VOC levels stay up for more than a few hours, the baseline (100) value will start to factor that in. If the VOCs in the air stay constant (ie, a paint can that is open), then the meaning of 100 will gradually rise until it’s the same as the current readings; given constant VOCs, it seems impossible for the readings to stay elevated for long enough to identify an issue like this.
(This wouldn’t be true if the rolling baseline was the average over a far longer duration, such as a month, or if the baseline wasn’t rolling and was only updated when the user requested it.)
I hope I’m explaining this clearly. There may well be some part of the Sensiron’s or AirGradient’s implementation that I don’t understand, if so, and that’s what I think should be added to the blog.
In the office building example where “the VOC levels increased dramatically,” can you add some guidance about what readings users should consider “dramatic” and how you arrived at that guidance? Like if a reading jumps from 75 to 400, how do they know that’s a dramatic increase? I assume it’s big in relative terms, but how would they know it’s big in absolute terms (or whatever you consider worth investigating)?
I like your constraint that “to only put sensor modules into the AirGradient where we can clearly know what causes the measurements and clear actions can be derived from the values.” In that example, can you add some guidance how to know whether 400 (or 300 or 495 or…) is a big enough increase to warrant investigation? (I’m just talking about quantity here, not the specific compound. Obviously these are total VOC sensors, so they can’t say whether the specific compound is actually a health problem. That is up to the user. I’m just wondering how this office example would know when they should investigate.)
What is the scale? I mean that in 3 ways:
Is the range from 100-500 linear, logarithmic, or something else?
Same question for the range from 0-100, and is 0 really 0 in absolute terms too?
@William reported readings in the 700+ range (ie, outside of 0-500). Is that possible, and if so, what is the range of possible values?
Last but not least, thank you! You’re solving an important problem and these are complicated topics. I appreciate that you’re taking the time to think through them and help users do the same.